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Ula Zarosa's avatar

Few comments based on a quick skim: 1) First of all the majority of animal suffering is happening in Asia and Africa, so if animal advocates should move anywhere, it would probably be good, if they consider launching organizations in those geographies. 2) It is very likely that to start with, AI will be used to benefit big industries rather than animal welfare, which means work on the ground still will be needed in the upcoming years. 3) Living in SF is very expensive, advocates staying in other geographies can take lower salaries and the money could be moved from operations to interventions, meaning higher cosr-effectivenes meaning more animals helped. 4) There is a lot of ineffective animal charities and advocates out there, sponsoring them being in SF just for the sake of a lot of advocates being there, does not seem right. 5) SF seems to be prone to sex harassment scandals, all EA scandals seem to come from the Bay Area in general, heard a lot about men abusing power within EA and animal orgs, dating employees, etc. I'd be worry if accumulating a lot of animal advocates in the same meetings, rooms, etc. would not create a set of problems we don't even account for. 6) Sentient Futures does community building but what kind of impact does it have so far, I have not heard. Is it a cost-effective organization. What have they achieved so far. 7) Are you not aware that the most prominent effective minded people representing key funding entities have been regularly travelling SF already, I guess you're arguing we need much more of this. I think we do need to scale the impact, and it's not the same goal as scaling community. By non strategically scaling community, we will end up with similar problem like EA, thousands people wanting to work for animals, and very sparse opportunities. Check the AAC job board there is barely anything there. If you want to scale impact and movement you need to do it strategically, get most talented fundraisers into Bay, get most talented entrepreneurs starting to launch more animal focused initiatives, fuel top talent to governments and corporations that can influence the animal market.

Broader comment: I have noticed that your posts are quite sensational and often very biased by the latest thing you're exploring. Like you chatted to Anima, and Anima has the best animal org model (they don't), you have contact with Sentien Futures, and they are the most important community builder in the world. You tested OpenClaw and everyone should use it, although it can potentially be quite risky to use. I think it would be great to see some deeper thinking on who is really needed there, offer concrete stipend for concrete works or projects that are most needed.

On the bright side, I understand the enthusiasm and I dig the idea of building strong representation there, I would care though who that would be as currently a lot of orga does not have much room for more funding so if you double and triple fundraising, you will need to create a lot of new initiatives fast, scale existing ones. Etc. And it's all quite difficult.

This message is written on my mobile, sorry for the mistakes.

Nancy Kogel's avatar

I hear you. And I feel the urgency and vision behind this.

I moved to San Francisco on 8/8/1969 at age 22, and it was a powerful, formative experience. I quickly became a revolutionary - reading Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, and Mao Zedong - and organizing. One early victory was helping win the right for female operators to wear pants, which spread far beyond our workplace.

From there I joined San Francisco Newsreel, helping produce and distribute films to educate and inspire. Later, I became part of a nondenominational Christian community, where I began to understand and apply what I think of as the laws of creation. That path led me to veganism, and eventually to Chicago, where I had my son, and then back home to New York City.

Over the years I’ve evolved into what I call a “vegangelical” activist - sharing the message of veganism and liberation for all beings, wherever I am.

So I deeply appreciate the call to be effective, to be where influence is concentrated, and to take bold action. And I agree that places like San Francisco can be powerful hubs at key moments in history.

At the same time, my lived experience tells me something else is also true:

We don’t have to move here or there to be effective.

As long as there are a few humans around us, we can communicate. As long as we have access to the internet, we can multiply that reach. And now, with the rise of AI, we can amplify our voices and ideas in ways we’re only beginning to understand.

Yes to San Francisco.
And also yes to everywhere.

The movement grows not only from central hubs, but from countless conversations, connections, and awakenings happening all over the world.

Thank you for all your work and for sparking this important conversation.

Sending hugs - and a few kisses from my own sand kiss-tles at Awe-gasm
nancykogel.substack.com

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